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Changing to Sulfasalazine Options
gempud
#1 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:42:10 PM Quote
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Hi everyone. I hope you all had a good Xmas and are looking forward to a happy new year!

I've had a rheumy appointment today with my consultant and I've had my first change of drugs for the RA, and am feeling less like a 'newbie' to all of this stuff. I have been on 15mg Methotrexate for the last 12 weeks and have had no improvement. I haven't felt well for one day since I've been taking it and have definitely felt the shutdown of my immune system. I've constantly felt run down, and now have a massive heavy cold that has hit my chest hard. When I'm ill I never have chest problems! I was geared up to go into the consultation ready to refuse to take the MTX anymore. I appreciate it is supposedly slowing the progress of RA but I don't feel that feeling like absolute crap for every day of my life is worth it. As it turns out my consultant said I'd probably be best coming off it and changing to Sulfasalazine, so that's what's happened. I'm going to start taking it on Monday and build up over the weeks to 4 tablets a day. I feel more positive about it because we were thinking of starting a family next year or the year after that and being on the MTX would have put a stop to all of that. Apparently the Sulfasalazine can be taken whilst pregnant which I'm happy about. Fingers crossed that Sulfasalazine works for me, and she said it'll be less likely to make me feel run down as it affects the immune system in a different way. Anyone got any experience with this drug?

She did also run through my blood tests which apparently still show nothing at all. And as my body rarely shows any physical swelling she said that if it wasn't for me having had an ultrasound on my hands which showed inflammation, then I would have gone undiagnosed - thank god for technology!

Anyway I am having a nice quiet new years tomorrow due to this awful cold...I've never felt this horrible with a cold. I hosted christmas day this year and I am still recovering from all the mental and physical exertion of it.

Hope the rest of you are as well as can be.

Gem x
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#2 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 2:56:49 PM Quote
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Hiya Gempud ,
as a relative newbie to drug regimes aswell it sounds like you have a health team that listens .
Sorry to hear that one drug was not to your body's liking ....there are still lots of options .. unfortunately it looks like it can be a long process .
well done for hosting an Xmas dinner :) I know how much work is involved :O (yes i am a man !) lol
My appt is at the end of Jan and i am going to ask for a change off of Leflunomide as it's stopping me do "Stuff".. and ultimately no matter what the consultant wants to try it is my decision on where to go next :)

At the moment Gempud quiet is good :)
all the best Rich :)

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#3 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 3:48:26 PM Quote
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Hi Gem,

Sulfa was the very first drug I was given, after diagnosis. I took it for 12 weeks, gradually building up the amount. I had no real side effects ( apart from it turns your wee orange!!) but it had no effect on my RA whatsoever, so I was then put onto MTX.

Hope it works for you,

Kathleen x

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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 7:54:05 PM Quote
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Hi Gem,. sorry tohear you are feeling so rotten, really hope you feelbetter soon. Ive tried sulph and it disagreed with me, but Iknow lots of people on here have had good results. Personally leflunomide has been mysaving grace. Everyone is different and its finding your ideal drug/cocktail that can take time.

Enjoy your new year! We are having aquiet one, we usually have a party (very noisy) but this year our two are both going out so we are the taxiservice. Im making us a meal and we are going towatch Shrek 4 which we havent seen yet, oh what party animals we are!!!

Lots of love Heather xxx
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#5 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:23:39 PM Quote
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Hi Gem,

I have been on Sulphazalasine as part of the triple therapy and yes it did work very well for me. I was taken off it a year past August as I no longer needed it. Hope you find it works for you too. It will discolour your urine so if you give in samples remember to say you are on it. It also affected my taste: I love curries and I could not even tolerate the smell of them whilst on this drug. It took about 6 months and I enjoy them once again. I wish you the best of luck, you sound very positive about it, keep it up it works wonders.

Take care Lorna x
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#6 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2010 10:59:23 PM Quote
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Hello Gem,

Glad you had a good appointment . You seem to have a good consultant/
Good luck with sulph I was on it for a time last year, but was not suitable for
me. However as the others state it does turn your wee wee yellow/

Good luck and enjoy your New Year. We have 10 friends in tomorrow night
but mny hubby doing it all. I just have to do the cleaning around him - ha ha


Rose
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#7 Posted : Friday, December 31, 2010 12:00:57 PM Quote
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hey, i can only add that i was on sulfazalazine when i was first diagnosed at 11, so i had the medicine form (bright yellow orange and totally rank) and later on the pills (or horse tablets as i remember them). in the end it wasn't the one for me, but whenever i see that distinctive colour i can't help but think of it!

Hope it works for you, (just don't look at it when you are taking it!) BigGrin

Laura
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#8 Posted : Friday, December 31, 2010 1:58:50 PM Quote
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Hi Gem

I had a similar response to you in the early stages of taking methotrexate but as I had tried everything else available at the time and failed miserably I stuck with it. After four months or so I started to find a big improvement very quickly. I continued on methotrexate for about 7 years. Despite the fact it started to cause blood problems earlier this year it has to be one of the best and most effective drugs I've had.

For me, Sulfasalazine was a nightmare; it did nothing for the RA and had awful side effects. I was taken off it after only a short time. But everyone is different which makes the doctor's job so difficult when it comes to choice of meds. It sounds like you are sero-negative? Despite having been diagnosed 22+ years my 'bloods' still don't show any rheumatoid factor! My ESR and CRP shoot about all over the place and bear little or no resemblance to the obvious inflammation that is present. Such a challenging disease!

Good luck on your new regime and your plans for the future. Pregnancy will almost certainly send the RA into 'hibernation' and in mild cases has been reported not to return!

All the best for the New Year

Lyn x
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#9 Posted : Friday, December 31, 2010 3:32:35 PM Quote
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hi Gemma,

firstly i can sympathise with feeling poorly ... i went down with a chest infection on Christmas Day, Hubby had one and i knew it on the cards i was in for it. i hate this feeling of your immune system lowered as well. although i don't feel unwell on Methotrexate.

i managed through Christmas and Boxing Day but on Monday morning i went to the Emergency Doctor's which was being held in my Hospital 12 miles away. was seen at 9 a.m. where fortunately there was a thaw so roads were good as it's open country roads there, and finally feel i am on the mend now.

i rang my Rheumy Nurse yesterday and told her i am fed up now of not sleeping well and i am convinced it's the Methotrexate causing it, i can look back and say it was when i upped my dose from 15mg to 20mg. so for now i am cutting back to 15mg, i have added Hydroxy 4 weeks ago but to be honest i think i am going to be considered for Anti TFN's ( i don't know much about them at this stage )

she did say i could stop the Methotrexate for a couple of weeks or cut back the dose, which makes more sense to me, so will see how i get on and am to contact her in a couple of weeks or so.

sorry i don't have any experience of Sulfasalazine but as you can see plenty of others have.

hope you begin to feel better soon,

Suzanne x
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#10 Posted : Friday, December 31, 2010 3:39:49 PM Quote
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P.S. to Rich,

i really do agree with you Rich about " where to go next "

have to say my Rheumatoligist does listen to me, but i know i have had to fail on 2 DMARDS before i can move on so to speak.

i felt like i was completely taken over at the start of treatment ... then again i was ignorant to it all ... but as time goes on and by reading this Forum i have gained so much more knowledge.

i know she is doing all she can for me and as i say fortunately she does listen to me and i know she is aware that i want to come off Methotrexate and feel i will soon now.

hope you have a good appointment let us know how you get on,

Suzanne x

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#11 Posted : Friday, December 31, 2010 4:24:33 PM Quote
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Hi Gem,

Very interesting topic for me this one. I am due to see my rhummy on 12th January, and at present the MTX is not working and I'm not sure why, it worked brilliantly for four months, but then I had to come off for two weeks but restarted again in October but still waiting for it to kick in again.

I really want it to work again as I felt great when it was working and I don't want to experiement with different drugs, I know I'm very impatient.

Hope you shift that cold soon.

Keep warm and a happy new year to you.

Anne x
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#12 Posted : Saturday, January 01, 2011 10:43:52 AM Quote
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Hi Gem

Just a little note from me. I took SLZ. It was the first drug I tried for the RA and was soon on full dose. I had no bad side effects at all. It made me wee orange! That was about it.

Several yrs later I tried it again, on a really high dose. I came off it and suddenly I felt like this cloud have been lifted. I mentionned it to the rheummy nurse and she said she had never heard of any issues with it but when you speak to other patients they tell a different story. The SLZ can CAN make you feel a bit on the blue side.

Just something to be aware of.

It must be very frustrating having no RA in your bloods. I hate it when they say about my bloods, as if I can do anything about them. My results always show in the blood but even then there is often little rhyme or reason to it.

I can feel dreadful and the results are somewhat better! rediculous!

Much love

Jenni xx
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gempud
#13 Posted : Saturday, January 08, 2011 6:57:17 PM Quote
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Hi everyone

Well, 5 days in and I almost immediately got side effects. My wee turned bright yellow, which I expected and it doesn't bother me. But I've had horrendous stomach pains and really bad diarrhoea (sorry if that's too much info!) This week I'm only on 1 tablet a day, with the end goal to be on 4 tablets a day in 4 weeks. I dread to think how bad I'll feel then if just one tablet is making my stomach this bad. I'm going to give it until the end of the weekend and then will ring Rheumy nurse. At the moment I've only been taking it at night so the stomach problems have been keeping me awake at night, but when I start splitting the doses as I increase dose, I'm guessing it'll give me stomach pain and diarrhoea 24/7. I'm a bit disappointed as I really wanted this one to work for me too.

Gem x
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#14 Posted : Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:07:02 PM Quote
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Gem

I am so sorry that you are disappointed in the Sulphasalazine. I took this earlier on in the year but had to give up because of similar stomach problems. Unfortunately it is trial and error. Some people it works for and others it does not.

Just be aware that there are some awful tummy bugs out there of which I am recovering from at the moment. I thought it was my medication but even after taking less it did not help. Eventually the symptoms went and I am now back on the medication.

Definitely speak to your RA nurse on Monday if you are no better.

Take care

Jackie
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#15 Posted : Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:52:19 AM Quote
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Oh Gem

I feel so sorry for you. To get your hopes up that this is the one and you could start to plan for a family and then to have these problems so soon. I hope that it does settle down for you and you can carry on taking it.

I was first put on SLZ May 08 and I am now taking 6 a day and I haven't had any side effects at all, not even the orange wee. I think I must have the constitution of an ox. Interesting what you said about failing on MTX, I started taking it last June and I am now on 20mg a week (no side effects again) and I don't think its made any difference at all, in fact I am getting worse.

Hope things improve for you soon.

Take Care

Paula xx
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Hi Gem, I've been on SLZ for nearly a year, 2x2 per day. The yellow wee was very evident at first but now just seems normal, wonder if it's supposed to be that way or stay yellow all the time.
Never had any stomach problems though!
Also I'm on MTX 25mg weekly self injecting. And like Paula I don't feel any different, my pain and stiffness never seem to get any easier.
Lets hope 2011 will be the year for an answer to all our problems and a cure is found for RA. Take care Kathleen xx
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#17 Posted : Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:17:32 PM Quote
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Hi Gem

I've been on Sulf for 3 years. I had a good 18 months but then it started to become less effective so they put me on mtx. I never had any problems with it. I had an awful stomach bug just before Christmas which really made me ill. The combination of sulf and mtx worked for about 4 months but like Paula and Kathleen, I'm getting worse again. I'm only on 12.5 mg of mtx so there's room for an increase. Fingers crossed(well as far as I can!). I have to say that I've been feeling generally rough for a few weeks- I hope it passes.

Hope you feel better soon.

Love
Maria
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:18:11 PM Quote
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Hi Gem,

I hope the SLZ suits you well- for me I detested it but then everyone is different and it is certainly true it can be used for pregnancy.

I have just had my 6th baby and I came off all my meds by week 5 and had stopped MTX 3 months beforehand. GFor me it was really imperative to be on no meds during pregnancy and thankfully i didn't need them as my Ra is suppressed completely throughout.....it may be the same for you so don't ever give up hope!

SLZ is a very popular and well used med so good luck and I hope it helps.

Amanda
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